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RE: [Bann Valley] Re: Welcome to BannValley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fastyre mie Boyd,
Many thanks for getting back to me and sorry for the delay in
responding to your previous message to this. Your advice is valuable.
The 'at death' point is a good one. I will look into that. I have
since found out that the church records were given over to PRONI, so
the marriage of Thomas is lost I fear. However, there is one other
angle to try and that is to search the newspapers for anything around
the marriage date. I could strike lucky.
I am certain that there were only Hendersons at Ballyagan, Garvagh. So
you would be right in saying any Hendersons on the site going back
would be relatives.
As an aside, I have visited Garvagh twice in the last 12months and had
a good look around. It was amazing to visit and think that my family
would have walked all around there. I visited Ballyagan, and stood in
my Great Great Grandfathers house.
My Great Uncle, Harry Henderson would have been well known in the
village - they oporated a bakery at the farm, and would take the carts
to the village.
I also oporate a site on Ancestry.com and Genes reunited in the hope
of 'finding a relative', or them finding me!
Many thanks
Bill
> Hi Bill,
>
> The Tithe Applotment Books are explained in my booklet on Donegal
Ancestry
> at:
>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/genbooklet.pd
f
>
> The 1831 Census for Londonderry Index is the only scrap from all the
> censuses which were destroyed either in the First World War of the
Civil
> War. It is only an index giving the name of the Head of Household
and how
> many males females and servants lived in the house along with their
> religion. As such, it is useful to give a family's presence but as
you say,
> that person could be an uncle or brother or... well almost anything,
so you
> have putative ancestors but no links. On the other hand, if you
only have
> one family of that name in the townland, why would it be anyone else
but the
> father?
>
> You need a marriage of someone post civil marriage in 1845, or from
a church
> record, from that family, who gives his father's name. Or possibly
a death
> post 1864, of the man in the Census, with a Present at Death, whom
you
> recognise - say, son, Thomas.
>
> I think someone else told you, you are operating at the limit of
Irish
> genealogy but in the end, most of us get some fairly strong links
back to
> 1900 or even 1780ish. Give up at that point!
>
> Btw, I lived in Garvagh til I was 5, my father having been born
there, but I
> do not know it very well.
>
> Boyd Gray
>
> http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Henderson [mailto:bill.henderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 07 January 2009 20:32
> To: BannValley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Bann Valley] Re: Welcome to BannValley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Fastyre mie Boyde,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I am on the Isle of Man. Betwixt and
between
> as you might say. This makes it very difficult for me to get over
there and
> visit PRONI. I would need to take leave all the time and however
long it
> would take. I have a researcher engaged currently who is good.
>
> However, Thomas is proving very difficult to get past. He was born
on August
> the 31st, 1816. This we got from a surviving relative we found.
> I thought I was the only part of the family left. They have Thomas
> Hendersons bible. We know how old he was when he died in 1902. He
was a
> grand old chap. 15 children! We know there are Hendersons living at
that
> house/farm well before him. But there is no link to say -yes- that is
> Thomas's father. The next generation after him living there would
appear to
> be a John Henderson. Again no link can be found. The marriage
records of
> Thomas and Matilda would have given us Thomas's fathers name.
>
> We think he had a brother, Archie from Garvagh village just down the
road.
> He ran the tannery there. But again cant establish a direct link
other than
> Archie's will where he leave £5 to his mother in Ballyagan - Sarah.
Thomas
> is present as a witness.
>
> How does that sound? The records you mention have been looked at,
but its
> the links that are the problem?
>
> I would be interested to know a little bit more about the references
you
> mention in the tith applotment books and 1831 census and what
conclusions
> you can draw? I am heavily reliant on my researcher, but have found
them to
> be excellent so far. They found my relative, who I have since been
to visit
> and photographed the family bible etc.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Bill
>
>
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > You seem to be well versed in Irish Records so I hesitate to
mention
> these
> > two obvious sources, but, if Thomas was born in 1812, then it is
> unlikely to
> > be him, but it IS likely to his father, who appears in the family
> plot and
> > the house in the 1828 Tithe Applotment Books and the 1831 Census
> > respectively. Of course it could be his uncle or something else
but
> since
> > you have not mentioned them, I thought I would.
> >
> > Both are available from the Mormons or locally. Where are you?
> >
> > Boyd Gray
> >
> > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Henderson [mailto:bill.henderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 07 January 2009 11:00
> > To: BannValley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Bann Valley] Re: Welcome to BannValley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Hi Lynn,
> >
> > Many thanks for that. Thomas was indeed a tennant farmer upto the
> late
> > 1880's when he bought the farm. He turns up in the Ironmongers
> Records a few
> > times. His family are described as 'hard working' etc. The
Henderson
> name is
> > recorded at Ballyagan, Garvagh at least to the late 1700's.
However,
> as I
> > said, the marriage records of Thomas and Matilda for Ballykelly
seem
> to be
> > 'lost' in which case we could 'nail' his fathers name etc. There
are
> several
> > Henderson families around the area, notably 'Hendersons of
> Crosslands' as
> > well.
> >
> > I just dont know how to get 'unstuck'! Not sure where Thomas is
> buried. Many
> > of the family are buried at the 'Garvagh 1st Presbyterian'. I will
> look into
> > that, as this is the family church.
> >
> > SNIP
> >
> >
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